There have been more than one time I wanted to scream out whatxa luar a co- worker was but didn’t because it would make me the idiot. On another note, when I was in grade 7 a group of girls…about 6 of them, came up to me and wanted to beat me up. I showed no fear and confronted the head girl telling her that, heating me would not solve anything and that she would still feel inferior so she should just take it and move on. I then walked right passed her, in between the others and gently moved them out of my way as I went on the bus. My knees were shaking!
Yes, I agree because our conscience is our inner sense of right and wrong. If we resign our conscience then where is our obligation to do what is morally right.
I do but I also think Sadje has a point. Sometimes a revolution is necessary if things become too bad but they are rarely peaceful and always cause more pain. But after the Nazi reign in Germany many said: we had no choice. We were forced” while others showed there was a choice if you were willing to pay the price like the kids of the White Rose did. 🕊
Obvious other examples are Gandhi and Martin Luther King (and yes, Dr. King spent more than a few nights in jail, not to mention having his life probed deeply by J. Edgar Hoover’s FBI). In Thoreau’s case, he was put in jail for not paying his taxes (and would have stayed there had someone not paid them for him) because he was protesting his tax dollars being used to fight the Mexican-American War.
Every revolution, even the “peaceful” ones, is a war, when you think about it….
If everyone started putting their own interpretation on what’s right, things can get chaotic. I do agree that we all should individually act as per our conscience but collectively, we should boat the laws of the land.
Obviously, there are limitations: you don’t take someone’s life, liberty, or property (only the government can do that). There isn’t a society that thinks otherwise. The line from Thoreau comes from a longer treatise called “Civil Disobedience,” where he also says that we have a responsibility to ignore or break unjust laws. In his case, it was paying taxes to a government that was using tax revenue to fight a war against Mexico; in Gandhi’s case, he was protesting British rule in India; in Martin Luther King’s case, he was protesting segregation laws in the Southern US. They did so peacefully and, of course, were jailed for their disobedience, but ultimately the laws changed. (Well, not in Thoreau’s case: we’re still funding wars all over the world…)
It’s a very long debate John and I do agree with the principle of this argument. Over here we are paying a very heavy price for the extremely bad economic decisions by our current government. Even if we all protested against it, I don’t think it will improve the situation.
Conscientious objectors. The state is not always right. I think common sense tells you when to resist. And to what.
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Right! You know what’s best for you.
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If you can resign your conscience to anyone, you don’t have a conscience.
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Very well said. I think that’s the whole point.
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A brilliant no-brainer!
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Yes, I can agree with this but we must pick and choose our battles.
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Interesting… care to elaborate? Just curious…
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There have been more than one time I wanted to scream out whatxa luar a co- worker was but didn’t because it would make me the idiot. On another note, when I was in grade 7 a group of girls…about 6 of them, came up to me and wanted to beat me up. I showed no fear and confronted the head girl telling her that, heating me would not solve anything and that she would still feel inferior so she should just take it and move on. I then walked right passed her, in between the others and gently moved them out of my way as I went on the bus. My knees were shaking!
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Yep! He made a good point.
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I’m asking everyone: do you agree?
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Yes, I agree because our conscience is our inner sense of right and wrong. If we resign our conscience then where is our obligation to do what is morally right.
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Exactly.
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Definitely a good point there
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Okay… now, do you agree?
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To a degree
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He certainly has a point there 😎
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He does. Do you agree?
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I do but I also think Sadje has a point. Sometimes a revolution is necessary if things become too bad but they are rarely peaceful and always cause more pain. But after the Nazi reign in Germany many said: we had no choice. We were forced” while others showed there was a choice if you were willing to pay the price like the kids of the White Rose did. 🕊
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Obvious other examples are Gandhi and Martin Luther King (and yes, Dr. King spent more than a few nights in jail, not to mention having his life probed deeply by J. Edgar Hoover’s FBI). In Thoreau’s case, he was put in jail for not paying his taxes (and would have stayed there had someone not paid them for him) because he was protesting his tax dollars being used to fight the Mexican-American War.
Every revolution, even the “peaceful” ones, is a war, when you think about it….
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As long as they don’t start to band together and stage a revolution
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Interesting… I’m curious; care to elaborate?
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If everyone started putting their own interpretation on what’s right, things can get chaotic. I do agree that we all should individually act as per our conscience but collectively, we should boat the laws of the land.
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Obviously, there are limitations: you don’t take someone’s life, liberty, or property (only the government can do that). There isn’t a society that thinks otherwise. The line from Thoreau comes from a longer treatise called “Civil Disobedience,” where he also says that we have a responsibility to ignore or break unjust laws. In his case, it was paying taxes to a government that was using tax revenue to fight a war against Mexico; in Gandhi’s case, he was protesting British rule in India; in Martin Luther King’s case, he was protesting segregation laws in the Southern US. They did so peacefully and, of course, were jailed for their disobedience, but ultimately the laws changed. (Well, not in Thoreau’s case: we’re still funding wars all over the world…)
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It’s a very long debate John and I do agree with the principle of this argument. Over here we are paying a very heavy price for the extremely bad economic decisions by our current government. Even if we all protested against it, I don’t think it will improve the situation.
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